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		<title>Comment on My Letter to the Forum by gibbs</title>
		<link>http://pleinelune.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/my-letter-to-the-forum/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to vociferously praise your writing Pleinelune - I have stumbled onto this site after a marathon 5-hour journey which began with me watching John Pilger documentaries, before moving onto Democracy Now (which ran an article about Thio Li-Ann), and finally your rebuttal of Ms. Thio&#039;s disgraceful, fearmongering parliamentary speech in 2007. Whereupon I&#039;ve spent the past hour reading various posts of yours. In my first year in Singapore I somehow found myself surrounded by a lot of people with very strong views on homosexuality (although perhaps on second thoughts it is a topic that inherently polarises most). I often wonder what is responsible for the strength of their (negative) views, and find myself thinking of Col. Frank Fitts from American Beauty...
It intrigues me that as a heterosexual male people are often taken aback by my support for &quot;gay rights&quot; (&quot;but what if your son is gay?&quot; they ask me, horrified!). Your writing - rational, balanced, not to mention humorous - is exactly what is needed, and I feel greatly relieved to realise that such sage thinkers do exist within Singapore. 
And thank you for posting the above - it reopened my naive eyes to the sort of censorship and dumbing down that takes place daily in the Singapore media. They really butchered what was an excellent letter...
Keep up the good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to vociferously praise your writing Pleinelune &#8211; I have stumbled onto this site after a marathon 5-hour journey which began with me watching John Pilger documentaries, before moving onto Democracy Now (which ran an article about Thio Li-Ann), and finally your rebuttal of Ms. Thio&#8217;s disgraceful, fearmongering parliamentary speech in 2007. Whereupon I&#8217;ve spent the past hour reading various posts of yours. In my first year in Singapore I somehow found myself surrounded by a lot of people with very strong views on homosexuality (although perhaps on second thoughts it is a topic that inherently polarises most). I often wonder what is responsible for the strength of their (negative) views, and find myself thinking of Col. Frank Fitts from American Beauty&#8230;<br />
It intrigues me that as a heterosexual male people are often taken aback by my support for &#8220;gay rights&#8221; (&#8220;but what if your son is gay?&#8221; they ask me, horrified!). Your writing &#8211; rational, balanced, not to mention humorous &#8211; is exactly what is needed, and I feel greatly relieved to realise that such sage thinkers do exist within Singapore.<br />
And thank you for posting the above &#8211; it reopened my naive eyes to the sort of censorship and dumbing down that takes place daily in the Singapore media. They really butchered what was an excellent letter&#8230;<br />
Keep up the good work</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sayoni Coming Out Guide by xtrocious</title>
		<link>http://pleinelune.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/sayoni-coming-out-guide/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>xtrocious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and informative reading for everyone, not just the gays :)

I have gained a better understanding.

Oh, the font sizes are really too small - even at 148% of the original size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and informative reading for everyone, not just the gays <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have gained a better understanding.</p>
<p>Oh, the font sizes are really too small &#8211; even at 148% of the original size.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sayoni Coming Out Guide by The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 4 Aug 2009</title>
		<link>http://pleinelune.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/sayoni-coming-out-guide/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 4 Aug 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pink Issues - Laïcité: Gay marriage – the mythical threat to traditional marriage - Sam&#8217;s thoughts: Being Straight Singaporean and Grateful - Used Brains For Sale: Sayoni Coming Out Guide [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pink Issues &#8211; Laïcité: Gay marriage – the mythical threat to traditional marriage &#8211; Sam&#8217;s thoughts: Being Straight Singaporean and Grateful &#8211; Used Brains For Sale: Sayoni Coming Out Guide [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mandatory Update by Weiye</title>
		<link>http://pleinelune.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/mandatory-update/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Weiye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now he knows that you know that he knows.  =)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Moral Absolutism and Religious Tolerance by Ambrose</title>
		<link>http://pleinelune.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/moral-absolutism-and-religious-tolerance/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see how I have proven mcpeanuts&#039; point on singaporean-ness.

Oh no! =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see how I have proven mcpeanuts&#8217; point on singaporean-ness.</p>
<p>Oh no! =P</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moral Absolutism and Religious Tolerance by Ambrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.

&quot;Give us a break&quot;

Who?
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&quot;The thrust of the Author’s letter is merely an anti-religion rant: Assertions without substance, and imposition of particular moral and religious standards under the shameful guise of ‘tolerance’, ’secularism’ and ‘intellectualism’.&quot;

Don&#039;t speak too soon. Have you seen the original letter the author was replying to? I&#039;m interested to know what you think of that, and how he hijacked an important topic for his own ends. http://www.straitstimes.com/ST+Forum/Online+Story/STIStory_405677.html
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&quot;shameful guise of ‘tolerance’, ’secularism’ and ‘intellectualism’. &quot;

Shameful? You just smear-campaigned a lot of people on the planet.
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&quot;Assertions without substance&quot;

Exactly what you have done there above.
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&quot;Then she asserts “To describe a person who is non-religious as a heathen is wrong, and such a view has no place in a secular Singapore”.

Isn’t this itself a morally absolute statement?&quot;

Are you nitpicking? &quot;Heathen&quot; is a perjorative. Read the bible and note its use. It might have been acceptable in that religious context and to the religious, but not here, not now, in Singapore. Notice, too, that I mention context. What does that say about the supposed absolutism of the statement?
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&quot;Statements concerning any value that she rejects, has “no place in a secular Singapore” (clearly she uses her own conception of ’secularism’ to fit her personal beliefs).&quot;

Elaborate where the author is wrong about secularism.
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&quot;What arrogance and hypocrisy!&quot;

The hallmark of arrogance is seemingly not having read the original letter and then taking the author&#039;s reply out of context. It was obvious you didn&#039;t read it - &quot;Do the Author have an axe to grind?&quot; - I wonder if you would say the same about the original.

Also, the epitome of hypocrisy is if you have indeed have read the original and take the stand you have taken against the author while condoning the original.

Just by the way you start your comment, you&#039;re at about the same level as you claim the author to be, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>&#8220;Give us a break&#8221;</p>
<p>Who?<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;The thrust of the Author’s letter is merely an anti-religion rant: Assertions without substance, and imposition of particular moral and religious standards under the shameful guise of ‘tolerance’, ’secularism’ and ‘intellectualism’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t speak too soon. Have you seen the original letter the author was replying to? I&#8217;m interested to know what you think of that, and how he hijacked an important topic for his own ends. <a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/ST+Forum/Online+Story/STIStory_405677.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/ST+Forum/Online+Story/STIStory_405677.html</a><br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;shameful guise of ‘tolerance’, ’secularism’ and ‘intellectualism’. &#8221;</p>
<p>Shameful? You just smear-campaigned a lot of people on the planet.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Assertions without substance&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly what you have done there above.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Then she asserts “To describe a person who is non-religious as a heathen is wrong, and such a view has no place in a secular Singapore”.</p>
<p>Isn’t this itself a morally absolute statement?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you nitpicking? &#8220;Heathen&#8221; is a perjorative. Read the bible and note its use. It might have been acceptable in that religious context and to the religious, but not here, not now, in Singapore. Notice, too, that I mention context. What does that say about the supposed absolutism of the statement?<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Statements concerning any value that she rejects, has “no place in a secular Singapore” (clearly she uses her own conception of ’secularism’ to fit her personal beliefs).&#8221;</p>
<p>Elaborate where the author is wrong about secularism.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;What arrogance and hypocrisy!&#8221;</p>
<p>The hallmark of arrogance is seemingly not having read the original letter and then taking the author&#8217;s reply out of context. It was obvious you didn&#8217;t read it &#8211; &#8220;Do the Author have an axe to grind?&#8221; &#8211; I wonder if you would say the same about the original.</p>
<p>Also, the epitome of hypocrisy is if you have indeed have read the original and take the stand you have taken against the author while condoning the original.</p>
<p>Just by the way you start your comment, you&#8217;re at about the same level as you claim the author to be, methinks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review: Dollhouse Season 1 by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been renewed</description>
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		<title>Comment on Moral Absolutism and Religious Tolerance by mcpeanuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcpeanuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this peculiarly Singaporean way of arguing, where people try their very best to point out that one is guilty of the very same thing that s/he accuses someone else of - to the extent of stretching logic to breaking point.

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Yes I think Miss Indulekshmi has a very valid axe to grind.

If she makes assertions without &quot;substance&quot;, consider that perhaps her substantiation couldn&#039;t be squeezed into a pathetically-sized 400-word letter. (I know; I&#039;ve tried.)

Any particular set of values, of necessity, excludes others that don&#039;t agree with them. The point is that tolerance and secularism, by definition, exclude the least. Consider this statement: &quot;the only thing I can&#039;t tolerate is intolerance&quot;.

Moral absolutism refers to the belief that certain actions are absolutely right or wrong, no matter what the justification. For instance, one might believe that abortion is morally wrong, even to save the life of the mother - that&#039;s moral absolutism.

What the author asserts - describing someone as &quot;heathen&quot; is wrong - is an issue of FACT, not MORALITY (although many often conflate the two, as they are judged by the same confusing words &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot;). Heathen is an outdated, outmoded and highly offensive word that implies that the &quot;heathen&quot; are to be converted to the right path - and there are many right paths for us all to discover. 

To describe someone else as heathen is as good as saying: I am morally right, you are wrong, and therefore beneath me. It is an elitism of morality, as dangerous as any other Wee-Shu-Min-esque social faultline.

Pathological religiosity of the George Lim variety has no place in a secular Singapore. No religion or ideology has a monopoly on goodness, ethics or truth.

I think what the author means is, let&#039;s have an open-minded, constructive dialogue. Agree to disagree, if need be. That&#039;s what freedom of speech and religion really means. 

George Lim wrote to what is called the &quot;Forum&quot; page - &quot;Forum&quot; for a reason. It is a place for reasonable, logical discourse. For ideas to flow and for people to argue in search of a higher truth. (Not just for complaints about bad taxi drivers or restaurant service.) If he wishes to come to the Forum, he better be ready to defend his views - not simply assert that they are right, on the force of his misguided interpretations of God or Morality.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this peculiarly Singaporean way of arguing, where people try their very best to point out that one is guilty of the very same thing that s/he accuses someone else of &#8211; to the extent of stretching logic to breaking point.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Yes I think Miss Indulekshmi has a very valid axe to grind.</p>
<p>If she makes assertions without &#8220;substance&#8221;, consider that perhaps her substantiation couldn&#8217;t be squeezed into a pathetically-sized 400-word letter. (I know; I&#8217;ve tried.)</p>
<p>Any particular set of values, of necessity, excludes others that don&#8217;t agree with them. The point is that tolerance and secularism, by definition, exclude the least. Consider this statement: &#8220;the only thing I can&#8217;t tolerate is intolerance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Moral absolutism refers to the belief that certain actions are absolutely right or wrong, no matter what the justification. For instance, one might believe that abortion is morally wrong, even to save the life of the mother &#8211; that&#8217;s moral absolutism.</p>
<p>What the author asserts &#8211; describing someone as &#8220;heathen&#8221; is wrong &#8211; is an issue of FACT, not MORALITY (although many often conflate the two, as they are judged by the same confusing words &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221;). Heathen is an outdated, outmoded and highly offensive word that implies that the &#8220;heathen&#8221; are to be converted to the right path &#8211; and there are many right paths for us all to discover. </p>
<p>To describe someone else as heathen is as good as saying: I am morally right, you are wrong, and therefore beneath me. It is an elitism of morality, as dangerous as any other Wee-Shu-Min-esque social faultline.</p>
<p>Pathological religiosity of the George Lim variety has no place in a secular Singapore. No religion or ideology has a monopoly on goodness, ethics or truth.</p>
<p>I think what the author means is, let&#8217;s have an open-minded, constructive dialogue. Agree to disagree, if need be. That&#8217;s what freedom of speech and religion really means. </p>
<p>George Lim wrote to what is called the &#8220;Forum&#8221; page &#8211; &#8220;Forum&#8221; for a reason. It is a place for reasonable, logical discourse. For ideas to flow and for people to argue in search of a higher truth. (Not just for complaints about bad taxi drivers or restaurant service.) If he wishes to come to the Forum, he better be ready to defend his views &#8211; not simply assert that they are right, on the force of his misguided interpretations of God or Morality.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moral Absolutism and Religious Tolerance by Give us a break</title>
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		<dc:creator>Give us a break</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the Author have an axe to grind? 

The thrust of the Author&#039;s letter is merely an anti-religion rant: Assertions without substance, and imposition of particular moral and religious standards under the shameful guise of &#039;tolerance&#039;, &#039;secularism&#039; and &#039;intellectualism&#039;. 

Is the Author guilty of what she accuses others of doing? 

The Author declares that one cannot be morally absolute (normative statement/judgment)

Then she asserts &quot;To describe a person who is non-religious as a heathen is wrong, and such a view has no place in a secular Singapore&quot;. 

Isn&#039;t this itself a morally absolute statement? 

Is the Author really saying that:-

1. Statements concerning moral, sexual or religious values acceptable to her are &#039;good&#039; for our &#039;secular&#039; society in line with &#039;religious tolerance&#039; 

2. Statements concerning any value that she rejects, has &quot;no place in a secular Singapore&quot; (clearly she uses her own conception of &#039;secularism&#039; to fit her personal beliefs). 

3. Freedom of speech and religion should protect only those who uphold certain views and beliefs.

What arrogance and hypocrisy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the Author have an axe to grind? </p>
<p>The thrust of the Author&#8217;s letter is merely an anti-religion rant: Assertions without substance, and imposition of particular moral and religious standards under the shameful guise of &#8216;tolerance&#8217;, &#8217;secularism&#8217; and &#8216;intellectualism&#8217;. </p>
<p>Is the Author guilty of what she accuses others of doing? </p>
<p>The Author declares that one cannot be morally absolute (normative statement/judgment)</p>
<p>Then she asserts &#8220;To describe a person who is non-religious as a heathen is wrong, and such a view has no place in a secular Singapore&#8221;. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this itself a morally absolute statement? </p>
<p>Is the Author really saying that:-</p>
<p>1. Statements concerning moral, sexual or religious values acceptable to her are &#8216;good&#8217; for our &#8217;secular&#8217; society in line with &#8216;religious tolerance&#8217; </p>
<p>2. Statements concerning any value that she rejects, has &#8220;no place in a secular Singapore&#8221; (clearly she uses her own conception of &#8217;secularism&#8217; to fit her personal beliefs). </p>
<p>3. Freedom of speech and religion should protect only those who uphold certain views and beliefs.</p>
<p>What arrogance and hypocrisy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on There are worse things by sarahscare</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarahscare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are indeed worse things than being single.
but i don&#039;t believe that all relationships end at one point or another, thats not true.

some do some don&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are indeed worse things than being single.<br />
but i don&#8217;t believe that all relationships end at one point or another, thats not true.</p>
<p>some do some don&#8217;t</p>
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